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For those attempting to hold off the shitstorm about Congresswoman Gifford's shooting by saying "Let's not make it political." The assassination of Judge John Roll, the murder of five others including a small child, a Congresswoman fighting for her life in surgery, several others injured: May I ask what the hell apologists think the reason for it was? A sudden sale on paper towels at the local Safeway that the crowd wouldn't let this guy get to?

For the time being, shut up before you look like even bigger idiots.

EDIT: [sarcasm]I am shocked, SHOCKED that it took so long for the moron squad to come out of the woodwork.[/sarcasm]

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Date: 2011-01-08 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com
I just got accused of calling someone a Nazi, for saying that the Tea Party rhetoric about "taking back the country", "don't retreat, shoot back" and "the second amendment option" might have fuelled a dangerous situation.

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Date: 2011-01-08 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
What you should do is call them out. Because yes, they really ARE Nazis if that's the actions they're willing to take for their beliefs.

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Date: 2011-01-08 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com
The person in question's name on furry muck rhymes with tabbi-lom. It really wasn't worth it.

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Date: 2011-01-09 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaily.livejournal.com
I dunno, when Pim Fortyn was shot we were all expecting the killer to be a Muslim extremist, but it was an extremist environmentalist instead. I was very surprised, same way I'd be very surprised if this wasn't connected to Palin in some significant way. It's possibly it's a whackjob of a different colour however.

If it is connected to Palin, she now has the death of several people on her conscience, including a 9 year old girl. Well done, well done indeed, hate-mongering nutcase.

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Date: 2011-01-09 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whiffert.livejournal.com
What I've read points to a very badly unhinged man with a deep distrust of the government. Ascribing this horrific act to any political group is way off base.

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Date: 2011-01-09 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com
Except that they now say that this was more than one person, are looking for an accomplice who fled the scene. And that there appears to have been a bomb threat and "suspicious package" planted at her offices to coincide with the attack.

The Tucson sheriff certainly didn't hold back from saying what he felt about "certain radio and some tv people" reducing political discourse to violent rhetoric and how "Arizona had become the Mecca for hate and bigotry".

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Date: 2011-01-09 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brianblackberry.livejournal.com
"Never let yourself be diverted by what you wish to believe, but look only and surely at what are the facts" - Bertrand Russell

So far there isn't much in the way of evidence for the shooter's motivation, just a whole lot of speculation and tenuous correlations. I have heard attempts to link this to Palin, the Tea Party, liberal beliefs, even the Communist Manifesto by the blogosphere, none of which are remotely proven to any realistic degree of certainty.

All I could conclude from the shooter's video is that we are dealing with a clearly unhinged individual, I couldn't discern any political agenda of any clarity.

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Date: 2011-01-09 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
Read my response below. You fail, too.

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Date: 2011-01-09 08:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mutt12.livejournal.com
Sorry, but any supposed links to the right wing are complete conjecture at this point. So far all we know is a mentally unhealthy young man pretty much went off the deep end.

I am quite certain, though, politicians on both sides of the spectrum will most likely use this as a means to take more rights away from is.
Edited Date: 2011-01-09 08:09 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-01-09 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
So the gold standard, anti-immigration, anti-abortion crap he's been part of is all LEFT wing opinions?

Reread the last sentence of my post. You fail.

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Date: 2011-01-10 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mutt12.livejournal.com
Wait, I say it's a bad idea to jump to a conclusion till more is known about the shooter's motives and whether they were political or not, and I'm considered part of the "moron squad"?

Nice to know that since I'm not jumping on the instant blame bandwagon, I'm obviously a complete drooling dumbass.
Edited Date: 2011-01-10 12:46 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-01-10 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brianblackberry.livejournal.com
So? People have also stated he was a liberal; has anarchist leanings; critical of religion as well as his gold standard, anti-immigrant beliefs, he also stated education was his right, and even bizarre fringe beliefs like the government is controlling his mind. Even his book list that has Mein Kampf and Communist Manifesto on it reveals nothing, unless you want to use that to claim he is a Nazi AND a communist.

All of these claims, all of them, are made by him or people associated with him and none of them presents a clear political ideology, just a jumble of eccentric beliefs of a troubled mind (if they are all true). Unless you have the motivation directly from his mouth or confessed right on paper, you have no motivation and ascribing one is hubris.

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