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Tip for those who run conventions: If you happen to list someone in all your ads as making a a special appearance and use that person's art on your t-shirt and website, and even list them as a "Special Guest of Honor" in your conbook, it is not too much of a stretch to expect that your event is making an effort to bring that person out and cover their expenses. What is not expected is that said person will have been told only a couple months before the event "Oh, by the way, you have to pay to get here" and will subsequently be unable to show up. And offering excuses for said behavior that are anything but "Yeah, we were dumbshits" rings about as hollow as a press release from the Tea Party.
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Conversational opening:

Moi: "Yeesh. Obama looks like he's aging faster than a mayfly."
Person in chair: "Good, maybe we won't get another four years of him."
Moi: "Would you be willing to explain your position?"
Douchebag in chair: "I don't want to get political."

You pretty much blew that when you opened your mouth. A comment on an individual's health or appearance isn't an opening for retarded statements about your position on their policies and desire for continued poor health which you then try to keep from getting called on. Also, ending your argument with "You're what's wrong with America!" and running off like a coward is a damned good way to prove you lost. Good thing we were at a furry convention. Here, kitty kitty kitty...
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When you're young and silly, it's expected that you will have a focus more on yourself and your personal preferences/hobbies than other aspects of life. However, if you are in the lobby of a hotel describing the inability of people to take your six-breasted hermtaur vixen with dragon wings seriously as the worst thing in the world while I watch images of the Gulf of Mexico being turned into the sump pit of a Jiffy Lube in the background, please understand that I laugh because if I cried I'd probably walk into freeway traffic. And take you with me.

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Date: 2010-06-06 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamberlane.livejournal.com
Well said.

Re: The Special Guest ...

Date: 2010-06-06 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-resa.livejournal.com
(Blinks) They really did that? Yikes! Just "Yikes!"

Artists are famously short of cash, and it's just kinda expected that they'll need help getting there, not to mention a room and maybe a table. All my sympathy to the artist in question.

Re: The Special Guest ...

Date: 2010-06-06 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
I believe that if the convention attendees had been made aware of the situation well before the event, sponsorships could have been found to correct this problem. However, the only communication I ever saw in any medium online or off were from the event's entertainment department. THEY were able to communicate their needs and intents quite well to those coming out, and were able to perform their duties competently enough that if they did have any difficulties, they were kept discreetly from the public eye.

There were also some external problems, mostly due to the hotel changing up the rules at the last minute, but I do not hold a con responsible for such things so long as they do their best to respond to them. Which they did, to their credit. But this was a serious planning and a communications error that started internally, and I hold their feet to the fire because of it.
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Date: 2010-06-06 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
The event in question evidently can't foot the bill for more than two packs of 99-cent sweet rolls for the consuite...
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Date: 2010-06-06 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
I should point out that the primary excuse I was given was by the con chair was "Oh, that person isn't a regular GOH, they're a special guest. We don't pay for those."

I would like to consider it a sign of my becoming mellower with age that I didn't headbutt this person into next week, but it's more that they would have tossed me out on my ear from the event...
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Date: 2010-06-06 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
It's like an episode of "Police Squad" where the Special Guest would be shown getting killed in the opening credits and nowhere else in the show.

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Date: 2010-06-06 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordslinger.livejournal.com
(open mouth... dumbfounded expression)... say WHAT??????

Dear gods. Which con was this????

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Date: 2010-06-06 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordslinger.livejournal.com
Nebbermind. Just figgered it out.

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Date: 2010-06-07 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
Can't hide the truth from Momma Mel. =};-3

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Date: 2010-06-07 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thaily.livejournal.com
Did the con staff think the special guest had a short bus to his disposal or something?

If I were said guest I'd bill them for using the art to promote the event.

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Date: 2010-06-07 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
No, the artist in question is a nice person and has let it roll off like water on a duck's back.

But I have an idea...

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Date: 2010-06-06 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] leahtaur.livejournal.com
Oh wow, would you be willing to divulge who the special guest was? I hope their reputation doesn't take a hit because of something out of their control.

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Date: 2010-06-06 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
The reputation of the person in question is fine. The con's attendees became aware of the screwjob over the weekend (possibly because some loudmouthed rabbit was blatting about it to anyone he spoke with) and the person is not being blamed for it at all. Naming names is not necessary, it's more important to be a lesson to everyone.

(Besides, anyone who does a small amount of digging can acquire the details easily enough. Just keep in mind that I am a SoCal resident and you can follow the trail from there.)

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Date: 2010-06-06 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com
It's been my experience, particularly within *this* fandom, that "I don't want to talk politics" means "I want to talk *my* politics without ever being contradicted".

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Date: 2010-06-06 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
To be fair, I've noticed such behavior outside of the fandom just as frequently as inside it. But I will also state that I notice it more from one side of the political spectrum far more than any other. A segment that somehow wishes to pretend that they weren't already given roughly a decade's chance at proving their point, much to the misery of the planet.

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Date: 2010-06-06 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barberio.livejournal.com
Furry and SF seem to gain slightly more than their share of the Crazy Internet Libertarians and their strange ideas about Civil Debate... But they've probably been cropping up elsewhere a lot more with the rise of the Tea Party.

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Date: 2010-06-07 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
Which is why the "You're what's wrong with America" bit makes me laugh. I absolutely agree with them. I'm what's wrong for America. THEIR America. And I am doing my part to kill it off as soon as possible...

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Date: 2010-06-06 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joeypoey.livejournal.com
What con is this? So I know to avoid it. D:

Also, it baffles me how seriously some people take their characters/fetishes l

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Date: 2010-06-07 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
Califur. And the artist who got screwed was Fossil.

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Date: 2010-06-07 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joeypoey.livejournal.com
That's lame. Fossil's a REALLY nice and laid back guy, too. That's a shame :/

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Date: 2010-06-07 03:25 am (UTC)

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Date: 2010-06-07 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catwoman69y2k.insanejournal.com (from livejournal.com)
Having been privvy to the exact conversation you speak of, I have my own opinion on this. However, Ill just agree to disagree. Speaking of that, usually that is the best lubricant when one finds their addled mind drifting to topics such as politics and religion while at a fun social convention such as Califur.

Needless to say, the overall conversation gave me an uncomfortable feeling that caused me to shift alot on my seat.

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Date: 2010-06-07 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doodlesthegreat.livejournal.com
I'm willing to agree to disagree on many topics, sweet kitty. Ones that result in mass unemployment, ecological catastrophe, the restriction of basic human rights, and war are not among them. "Agree to disagree" has been codespeak from that side of the fence for "roll over and take it up the ass" for decades. I refuse to play that little game any more, and will challenge lies for what they are at any time. Again, if he didn't want to make it political in a social arena, he should have either said something else or just kept his damned mouth shut.

Sorry if it made you uncomfortable, kitty, but there really isn't any other way to fight these assholes.

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Date: 2010-06-07 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catwoman69y2k.insanejournal.com (from livejournal.com)
Personally, Im not going to try and sort out "who started it" as that is always a hotbed of further dramatic noise. All I can do is say "fair enough"

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